Air Dash Soup Grab (ADASG) Combos & Setups

[glacey]

Everything below this is from before the video was made. Some of the info is still useful so I'll be keeping it there.

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The effects of Luna's ADASG and NASG on every character and every character's aerial frame data:

Character	ADASG	NASG	|	Air Dash	Neutral Aerial	Air Roll
	Hit	Miss	|	5	22	X
	Hit	Hit	|	5	7	X
	Hit	Hit	|	5	12	X
	Hit	Hit	|	5	12	X
	Carry	Miss	|	5	12	2
	Carry	Miss	|	5	22	X
	Hit	Hit	|	5	12	X
	Hit	Miss	|	5	22	2
	Hit	Hit	|	5	4	X
	Hit	Miss	|	5	22	X
	Hit	Miss	|	5	32	X
	Hit	Hit	|	5	12	X
	Carry	Miss	|	X	22	X
	Hit	Miss	|	5	32	X
	Hit	Hit	|	5	3	X
	Hit	Hit	|	10	3	2
	Hit	Miss	|	5	22	X
	Hit	Miss	|	5	12	X
	Hit	Miss	|	5	22	2
	Hit	Hit	|	5	17	X

ADASG > Murtag Drop Ground Grab


*Video Note - Robin Hood is above the grab hitbox so he doesn't get hit until frame 5
*** i wasted frames shield dropping then grabbing, this is actually true in the right situation

If you're close to the ground, buffer shield, and grab the frame after shield comes out, the opponent will have 4 frames to act before getting grabbed. The higher you are from the ground, the more frames the opponent has to escape this combo. Normally the 4+ frames where the opponent can do anything would ruin the combo, however, most characters have limited options in the air, so you can catch them out before they can react. Although most air dashes come out frame 5, in order to get it to come out frame 5 it needs to be buffered within a 2 frame window, and if the opponent is facing the wrong direction they can take up to 7 frames to turn around, depending on where they're facing.
 In order for your grab to go in the right direction, make sure to angle your stick towards the opponent when grabbing. It will likely miss if you don't angle your stick. Characters who are carried by ADASG will be hit by the AD at the end of its hitbox, so you have more time to buffer shield.

*This setup is not true on the following characters - Red Riding Hood, Fiona, Dronkey, Prince Charming, Captain Hook, and G-Nome.
These characters all have a Neutral Aerial or Air Roll that comes out before frame 5. If they don't react fast enough they will still get hit, and if you read a Neutral Aerial you can punish it.

*Still need to test - See if buffering shield then buffering roll gets you out faster
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ADASG > Ground Grab




*Video note - Both of these can be performed faster, I will post a faster example when I have time to do so.

If you're close enough to the ground when performing an ADASG, you can murtag drop the air dash into a buffered ground grab. This is extremely useful as it gives Luna a way to start her infinite off from the air, and fixes her issues comboing from air grab. If you're higher up from the ground, however, the opponent will have a small window of time to react before the ground grab hits.

*Still needs testing - see what options the opponent has before he hits the ground.



ADASG > ADASG



*Video note - I did an air grab after the ADASG > ADASG

When you input 3 air dashes before touching the ground, the game turns the third air dash into a neutral aerial attack, regardless of what you input. Unfortunately, this makes this setup only work 2 times in a row, as the third one will be a Neutral Aerial Soup Grab (NASG). This 2 air dash limit also means you cannot perform this out of a swooce.



ADASG > ADASG > Ground Grab



If ADASG > Ground Grab from high in the air isn't a guaranteed setup, then this may be the way to solve that issue. Your air grab will come out before a ground grab would when you're high in the air, and the second ADASG starts you off closer to the ground, so this could lower the opponent enough to buffer a ground grab from ADASG.

Less useful setups:

ADASG > Air Dash
ADASG > Grab
ADASG > NASG
ADASG > ADASG > Grab
ADASG > ADASG > NASG


*Things I need to know for testing:
- How to calculate the frame data of an air dash and how long you have until you can act out of it
- How to calculate the number of frames it takes to start a move

[Rubbermaid]

It's beautiful.
(although the slo-mo clip seems to show a clear actionable window for the opponent)

[glacey]

Oct 31, 2016 8:52:08 GMT Rubbermaid said:

It's beautiful.
(although the slo-mo clip seems to show a clear actionable window for the opponent)

I need to rerecord the ADASG > ground grab clips because I could have done the inputs faster. I think it's true if you time them right, but obviously I'll need to prove it. ADASG > ADASG is definitely true. ADASG > ADASG to ground grab will have small windows for opponents with air rolls to roll out, but I think it might beat out the air options of characters without air rolls.

[glacey]

I messed around a bit with testing opponents options out of this, and I noticed that these combos work differently on different characters. Also, when trying to get a video of a true version of ADASG > Ground Grab, I can confirm that it is not true on characters with air rolls. I didn't count how many frames the opponent has after hitstun, but I believe it's around 6, which I think might be faster than most characters' air dashes and aerials. A lot more testing needs to be done, but there's a good chance that this will be useful in some situations.

[RetroGamersGuru]

Question: You say that the opponent has around 6 frames to commit to an action. Since you also archived that most character's air dashes take 5 frames, does this mean that these characters could counter attack or run away if they time it perfectly? This is all in theory of course since not everyone could get this 100% of the time.

[glacey]

Nov 20, 2016 8:49:34 GMT RetroGamersGuru said:

Question: You say that the opponent has around 6 frames to commit to an action. Since you also archived that most character's air dashes take 5 frames, does this mean that these characters could counter attack or run away if they time it perfectly? This is all in theory of course since not everyone could get this 100% of the time.

When I made this originally I shield dropped then grabbed instead of grabbing out of shield, so I lost a bunch of frames from doing that. This combo is true on characters that don't have the carry effect. In the case you mentioned, I think they would be able to air dash into luna on that frame unless they were facing the wrong direction.