Proposed New Vanilla Stage List

[scrubjr]

The current vanilla stage list Is really bad. I've worked with Sirens to make this new vanilla stage list that I am proposing:

-Neutral Stages:

  -Minecart

  -Gepetto's Workshop

  -Poison Apple Inn

  -Bell Tower

  -Giants Table

-Counterpicks:

  -Medieval Chef

  -Fat Boy

  -Far Far Away Tower

Changes made:
-Added Minecart because there are little to no items on them most of the time
-Added Bell Tower because there are little to no items on them most of the time
-Added Poison Apple Inn because the items are generally unobtrusive. 
-Removed Dragon's Hall because of the unreasonable Floating Air Mines item, and a powerful camping position with 2 chandeliers 
-Removed Beanstalk because of the unreasonable Floating Air Mines item and item spawn locations greatly incentivising camping.
-Removed Romeo Drive because of the quickly & consistently spawning invincibility potions.

[Rubbermaid]

Mine Cart, Poison Apple Inn and Bell Tower all feature items which allows players to slam without needing full Slamergy. I can't see how Floating Air Mines is too objectionable whilst the Viking Horned Helmet and Max Slam Juice aren't.

[kirby]

Poison Apple was originally banned because of the ham that spawns as soon as the previous one despawns. I'm not sure how relevant this is nowadays, but back then a very viable strategy was to simply camp the table and spam the ham, so to speak. Considering the only tournaments that are likely to use this ruleset feature predominantly new players, I still think this will be abused.

EDIT: Also yeah the Viking helmet.

[scrubjr]

Dec 11, 2016 13:38:47 GMT Rubbermaid said:

Mine Cart, Poison Apple Inn and Bell Tower all feature items which allows players to slam without needing full Slamergy. I can't see how Floating Air Mines is too objectionable whilst the Viking Horned Helmet and Max Slam Juice aren't.

Well shit, the full slam items didn't show up in our test games. Also what about romeo drive? How is that okay?

[Rubbermaid]

Dec 11, 2016 21:14:28 GMT scrubjr said:

Dec 11, 2016 13:38:47 GMT Rubbermaid said:

Mine Cart, Poison Apple Inn and Bell Tower all feature items which allows players to slam without needing full Slamergy. I can't see how Floating Air Mines is too objectionable whilst the Viking Horned Helmet and Max Slam Juice aren't.

Well shit, the full slam items didn't show up in our test games. Also what about romeo drive? How is that okay?

Romeo Drive was on the brink of getting banned before the items code was discovered, although I still believe that it is better than the three I mentioned before due to the widely accepted unfairness of the Viking Horned Helmet and Max Slam Juice.

[scrubjr]

Dec 11, 2016 21:59:42 GMT Rubbermaid said:

Dec 11, 2016 21:14:28 GMT scrubjr said:

Well shit, the full slam items didn't show up in our test games. Also what about romeo drive? How is that okay?

Romeo Drive was on the brink of getting banned before the items code was discovered, although I still believe that it is better than the three I mentioned before due to the widely accepted unfairness of the Viking Horned Helmet and Max Slam Juice.

What would Romeo Drive have been replaced with?

[Rubbermaid]

Dec 12, 2016 4:19:00 GMT scrubjr said:

Dec 11, 2016 21:59:42 GMT Rubbermaid said:

Romeo Drive was on the brink of getting banned before the items code was discovered, although I still believe that it is better than the three I mentioned before due to the widely accepted unfairness of the Viking Horned Helmet and Max Slam Juice.

What would Romeo Drive have been replaced with?

Nothing, although I had suggested Bell Tower as a possibility since the Viking Horned Helmet doesn't typically appear often and the stage is large enough to make camping it out a fair option. I don't think there's much of a problem with having a smaller stagelist, you'd just need to change the striking rules.